Perhaps I was a bit silly, even glib, yesterday.I publish my blog to my facebook page (shameless self promotion, torture to my friends and family). I received a facebook comment on the post from a guy I went to high school with, of whom I have always had a high opinion. He eloquently said, "Uh ... Wow."
"Uh ... Wow," can be taken a few ways; he meant it in the bad way. He later clarified, "Well, I think all I can do is point you to C.S. Lewis' fantastic book 'Mere Christianity', book (or part) 2 [sic] chapters 5 & 6 entitled "Sexual Morality" and "Christian Marriage". He makes my argument better than I can--if you care to."
I never take a challenge lightly; especially one against my Christianity and morality.
Fortunately (???!!!), I was able to download and read the assignment as I waited in the Kid Care Clinic with my Crichton.
(Crichton, we now know, has the flu and pneumonia. I've been up all night watching him breathe; takes me back to those new-mother nights. Except, now, I'm not breastfeeding, so Dr. Pepper and I can have at it, guilt free)
(hey, did you like that appeal to your sympathy, to get you on my side: poor woman, good mother, up all night, sick child - such a cheap ploy, don't let it deceive you).
C.S. Lewis - in LDS culture, his words are held as nearly sacred. However, I'm not sure he can be taken as an authority on marriage for a number of reasons. It has been speculated that Lewis had some sort of on going relationship with the mother of a war buddy (they had promised that if either died in battle, the other would care for the dead man's family). Lewis, himself, was not married until he was 58. The woman was divorced and Lewis opted to marry her civilly, however, once it was determined she had cancer, they had a Christian marriage performed. This marriage only lasted 4 years. As in many things, one can theorize, but practical application, i.e. life, is not always so neat and tidy.
He admits that one might argue that his lack of marital experience makes him incompetent to discuss the topic, but he advises readers to be sure we are analyzing the situation from a basis of reality and not trying to impose the silly ideas from novels and movies (i.e. happily ever after).
Who can know the secrets that have gone on, even in very long and seemingly successful marriages? As I look at the marriages around me, my peers', my family's, my own, I can see the benefits of marriage, clearly, for both husband and wife. But I see (and feel) how much hard work really has to be put into maintaining a good and healthy marriage. I see how quickly they can crumble apart. I know how painful it is when, as a spouse, you feel like you are putting everything you have into the marriage, feel like you are making so many sacrifices, and you still struggle with unhappiness.
There are many, many things I could take contention with in these two chapters (like how the man should be the head of the household because women are too emotionally involved in protecting the family and the man is better eqipped to protect other people from his wife's intense familial patriotism - tho, to be fair, he's probably right). However, overall, I do agree with Lewis.
The feeling of being "in love" makes us want to commit to a lifetime (or eternity) of devotion and concern for the object of our desire. Those feelings spur us on to make sacred promises and commitments before God and all mankind, to put the other's happiness and well being above all else, even our own. Feelings come and go. However, our morality comes into play when we hold strong to those promises, despite how our feelings may change over time.
This concept I adore and have no argument against.
I just wonder, if, when we are perfect beings, or as we become perfected - I wonder if the commitments will always be limited to one on one, husband and wife. Or if maybe the love we feel towards our spouses, the commitment and devotion to their well being, we will be able to extend to all mankind ... and then, because I am a little hormonal, I wonder how that might pertain to sex, etc.
We have a limited understanding of Love and Love One Another, I think. I'm not trying to be dirty minded or flippant (tho I'm sure I fail) - but I enjoy contemplating ideas and it is not a terrible thing to do. It annoys me when people try to corral you into "right" thinking by shoving guilt and morality at you, as if to say, "I am Right and anything not what I think is dangerously wrong." Pshaw. Perhaps most of us are only capable of deeply loving one person at a time. And thus the commandments are given according to our ability and capacity. Of course, then you have children and that opens up your hearts in ways you never thought possible.
Yes, married folk must be very careful not to open our hearts up to exciting "in love" (eros) feelings, it is true. However, Lewis also says, "[w]hen we meet someone beautiful and clever and sympathetic, of course we ought, in one sense, to admire these good qualities. But is it not largely in our own choice whether this love shall, or shall not, turn into what we call 'being in love?"
I say, probably.
So, make the conscious decision not to allow yourself to entertain your married self with exciting "in love" feelings. Yes, and avoid inciting lust, also. Except in and for your spouse.
I vote for Agape, which means love in modern-day Greek. It generally refers to a "pure," ideal type of love, rather than the physical attraction suggested by eros. It has also been translated as "love of the soul."
I love your soul and I don't care who knows!
Is that better? Are we clear?
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of course!! right on.
I love all of your posts and just as you say, it is your blog..if you want to be flippant, be flippant, dammit!
This doesn't exactly relate 100% to your post, but this is what your post made me think of..my (unasked for) perspective on life and marriage:
I think we watch too many movies.
*sheer brilliance, Lori..tell us more*
I think we judge ourselves, our lives, our marriages,etc,not based on their potential and unique circumstances, but based on what we see in movies, read in books, etc.
Example: My mission. I literally thought that there was going to be music playing as I walked down the street and converted people to the gospel. Thank you, Called to Serve.
That movie made me feel inadequate my whole mission.."Why aren't I just blissfully happy?" "Why am I not recieving amazing revelations?" "Why do my companions keep calling me bi-polar?" "Where is the *&@#^@ music?!*
I wasnt judging myself based on my abilites and personality. If I had been I would have been like "well done, pyscho..you made it through another day without a complete mental breakdown..now, have some chocolate"
I think we,as woman,watch WAY too much sleeping beauty, Pretty Woman, and saints above, Twilight!
Then we meet some man, the endorphins literally kick in and we think "This is it..he's going to stay awake to watch me sleep, we are going to have a big house, and he will write me cute but bad poetry, after which we will dance on the kitchen floor"
6 months later you are in some trashy little apartment, burning mac and cheese, picking up his socks, asking "Why am I not living happily ever after?"
Does any of this make sense?
I don't have answers to your questions because I've never thought about it much beyond "There is no way in eternity I'm sharing my man with ANYONE- so sorry if you didn't get your own but ain't nobody touchin' mine!"
I think expectations vary by the woman. I'm not a terribly romantic person myself so I have pretty low expectations in that regard. I fall more into the 'practical' realm.
When I was considering marrying my spouse I told my friend that in many ways I considered it a business deal. She about died! I tried to explain that yes, I loved him. Yes, love was the basis but even at 23 I wasn't dumb enough to believe love conquers all. In addition to the 'feelings' I had, I considered if we were a match in terms of intellect, ambition, goals, desires- including sexual interest levels and the list goes on.
We've had a small rough patch in year 12 (we're almost at 14 now) but it wasn't until a good 10 years in that I felt like marriage was much work. I'm sure it's because I used some logic in chosing my spouse- not just emotion as seems to be the case with so many women.
That said- we'll still never have the big house or income. I'm ok with that!
Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
I think part of the reason many people sense that we should have only one partner is because the feeling of mutual love is not sustainable without spending time together, discussing common interests, having bonding experiences together etc.
No matter how strong our love once was it can die if it is not maintained. We have to ask ourselves "Is it possible to love someone else to the same degree and still nurture the love in the first relationship?" Is love an inexhaustible resource? Something that can only be spread so far?
My concern with polygamy has to do with the heartache that many women had to endure by not having their husband around or children who never had the full attention of their fathers. If polygamy is the best situation for us than that also means that fathers don't need to be emotionally close to all of their family members (if they are like me they WANT to be). Raising a family becomes more a matter of duty and is no longer motivated by (selfish) relationships. Some people will inevitably get skrewed in this situation (be it the less favored spouse or the 30th child).
When my wife wanted to have a baby I must shamefully admit that I was jealous of losing some of her affection. This was a valid concern. The difference after having two children was noticeable (still worth having them of course) but it's just a solid fact that love is based off of time spent together.
Even those couples who think their relationship is impervious when they are first married will inevitably experience big challenges when they have several children and find themselves becoming estranged from their spouse. It takes much more effort to maintain those close ties.
The idea of love and romance (the kind in the movies) is based off of selfishness. The idea of having someone all to yourself. I don't know if this mentality can be sustained in a relationship with a man who has to work more, make more money, provide for more people, please more women, mentor more children (I can only give one foot massage a night).
Maybe we can imagine in heaven that those very worldy concerns will no longer exist and we will be free to love more people intimately but for now that lifestyle is asking for big time hurt and disappointment. At what point are you allowed to say "This approach does not work."
It's also probably worth mentioning that romantic love is a very new concept (last 200-300 years?). Throughout most of history marriages have been more about business or a partnership (more like what Cynthia described). Love (dependency, attachment) is something that was often developed after the commitment. Maybe the current popular notion of romantic love IS actually selfish. The idea that you can really love someone deeply before you have ever significantly served them.
Love your posts Mr.s B!
Love is nothing that we think it is. Look at all the time I've been away and I still love you, Brandy.
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